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Anon-e-mouse · Mar 18, 2009, 12:36 PM // 12:36

Hey PvP'rs, could you QQ a bit more plz. I just brought a boat and I want to check it's watertight.

This just smacks of "I was doing ok with this, but now everyone is doing it, my z-keys are worth carp". Get over it already.

It'll be a sad day in Tartarus when A-net listens to more "PvP'rs" trying to stroke their e-peen again. GW's stopped being about PvP a long time ago.

Raven Wing · Mar 18, 2009, 12:41 PM // 12:41

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It's the z-keys that are destroying the value of things and thus devaluing the economy. There are only a handful of items now left with any value to them at all. I remember when +30hp weapons and items would bring 30k, now you're lucky if you can get 2-5k on most inserts.

You are wrong there, it was the introduction of HM that brought about abundance of mods and gold weps.

All that the z keys do to the economy is making some rare skins common and this devalued. On the other hand you could say, since some people can harvest hindreds of keys and use them to buy rare items with it actually ought to increase demand and value of some wanted items.

My personal opinion is that the XTH is a bit ridiculous, I spend a few minutes each month on random clicking and get free stuff. Im not interested in high end pvp, it isnt what I am playing for. Other people use this as a legal way of RMT as already mentioned. Both approaches are irrelevant for the high end pvp in itself.

So as I see it, it does no good for pvp and not much good for pvp or the game economy. All it do is channelling some extra cash to Anet.

riktw · Mar 18, 2009, 12:46 PM // 12:46

well, even if z-keys hit 2.5K, wich i will doubt, you still get free cash.
would be better if you could sell them to merchant for lets say 4K
so value will never drop under that.
aw well, i like me 20z-keys a month.

maybe some nice armor you can only buy with z-keys will make prices better.
and nice armor is nice, but make it look better that FoW Plstnx

ProgTes · Mar 18, 2009, 12:47 PM // 12:47

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Originally Posted by Anon-e-mouse

GW's stopped being about PvP a long time ago.

Huh?

Also, free money! Keep xth please.

Zamochit · Mar 18, 2009, 12:51 PM // 12:51

XTH has proven to be an extreemly effective way of reducing the impact of gold selling sites; now if people do want to get additional gold each month then they can buy an extra account and get the extra zkeys, and hence money this provides. This way ANET gets the extra income rather than these sites, which can be put towards GW2.

I agree that the ZKeys have had an interesting impact on the economics of the game, notably the PVE/PVP divide has been blurred somewhat with pvp'ers now being some of the richest characters in the game.

Eventually with supply and demand the Zkeys will prove less and less valuable, but at the moment its a nice little bonus for everyone who have supported ANET by purchasing their game(s), more so if they have purchased multiple copies.

rabwatt · Mar 18, 2009, 12:55 PM // 12:55

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Originally Posted by Risky Ranger

!. It's fun.
2. Who cares about the economy?
3. Keep the XTH.

Well said.....
And dont even need to add anymore :-)

Tullzinski · Mar 18, 2009, 01:06 PM // 13:06

Nothing wrong with XTH. Should be kept in the game. I am still amazed at the amount of people that do not know it exists. Anything that screws up the gold sellers is good.

exploiter · Mar 18, 2009, 01:13 PM // 13:13

I like XTH. And I dont care about Z keys dropping in price like all the PvPers whine about. Still some free money

Yawgmoth · Mar 18, 2009, 01:24 PM // 13:24

Free money wouldn't be as BAD as free Reward Points / ZKeys are. Those are meant for PvP players and it's almost the only way they can make money when playing. If XTH rewards allowed some free openings of the chest

So PvP players should get tradeable ZKeys as they do now. XTH should be completely removed (I'm all for it) or in worst case changed drastically - award non-tradeable keys directly or something else, and remove HB predictions entirely.

Rocky Raccoon · Mar 18, 2009, 01:48 PM // 13:48

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Originally Posted by Yawgmoth

Free money wouldn't be as BAD as free Reward Points / ZKeys are. Those are meant for PvP players and it's almost the only way they can make money when playing. If XTH rewards allowed some free openings of the chest

So PvP players should get tradeable ZKeys as they do now. XTH should be completely removed (I'm all for it) or in worst case changed drastically - award non-tradeable keys directly or something else, and remove HB predictions entirely.

Why do you need to make money? I thought you played the game for the fun and money is just a secondary result. Money is only for vanity purposes as you can have max items for relatively small money.

Yawgmoth · Mar 18, 2009, 01:54 PM // 13:54

Almost everything in GW is for vanity purposes, but thats still REWARDS for playing. And giving TONS OF REWARDS to players not playing at all makes the same rewards worth much less for those who actively play.
People who don't see a problem here must be greatly benefitting from the broken system, making big profits with zero effort, or just be complete ignorants.

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Originally Posted by Martin Alvito

While XTH was a terrible idea for the game, it is a source of revenue for the devs and is not going away. XTH is simply a blatant effort by the devs to legalize RMT and collect the surplus themselves without catching the negative publicity associated with selling money in an online game.

Anyone that tries to tell you differently is either naive or self-serving.

Contradicting yourself much? We all see it's a blatant way of selling ingame wealth for real $$$. People aren't that dumb (except for those who are

)- it's already catching a lot of negative publicity - just look at the masses of threads about this same thing that pop up everywhere.

If someone doesn't see that it's just like Anet started selling Reward Points directly in the ingame online store he needs to rethink the whole thing.

$30 - lifetime supply of reward points, unlimited offer - buy as many packets as you want!

Yarly · Mar 18, 2009, 02:30 PM // 14:30

XTH isn't just about zkeys. Its about tournament reward points, i and alot of other people actually do use those to pimp our pvp characters instead of trading them for zkeys.

I might be in the minority, but the way i choose to use my points complicates any argument to remove XTH just because of the economy. I never ever pve, so it helps greatly.

If anything is going to be changed its going to be the zkeys themselves, not XTH.

ProgTes · Mar 18, 2009, 02:30 PM // 14:30

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Originally Posted by Yawgmoth

And giving TONS OF REWARDS to players not playing at all makes the same rewards worth much less for those who actively play.

Its just the same as it was when wisdom/treasure hunter title became account wide. The people who already invested tons of time and/or money in it became angry because oh my god, suddenly the people who didn't invest that much time or money can have it too now!

If you feel offended by someone having more money/items/titles than you with less effort; that sucks for you (talking generally here, nothing is directed at above poster). It does not affect you in any way, you still have what you worked for, right? You deliberately chose to max such title/spend X gold on item Y and if prices plummet or the amount of time require to get said title gets lower: don't qq and stop being jealous because other people have what you have.

Dronte · Mar 18, 2009, 02:35 PM // 14:35

Whoever says zkeys should be acc based or Anet has to stop the multiple acc predictions, please realise, that XTH was implemented for a real good reason, and that is clean profit from new accounts.

Also, at least I can laugh at people who buy several accounts for more rewards, as its an obvious method to convert your real money to IG money, which is totally stupid (doesnt bother me though, its just funny)

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Originally Posted by Anon-e-mouse

Hey PvP'rs, could you QQ a bit more plz. I just brought a boat and I want to check it's watertight.

This just smacks of "I was doing ok with this, but now everyone is doing it, my z-keys are worth carp". Get over it already.

It'll be a sad day in Tartarus when A-net listens to more "PvP'rs" trying to stroke their e-peen again. GW's stopped being about PvP a long time ago.

This was a totally UNRELATED and useless trolling attempt from you. Economy is not related to PvP, at least not more than it is to PvE. And how did you find out that all those "qq-ers" are PvP-ers? Normal PvPers doesnt give a SH*T about economy and anything connected to that.
Personally I was happy when Zkeys were introuced, rewards for balth faction is free money too. So idc how much it worths, its just good. As well as XTH, free 20 zkeys / month. And yes, I usually play pvp. Not like it matters.

Gforce · Mar 18, 2009, 03:42 PM // 15:42

XTH can be removed as far as I care, I dont really want to bother filling those things in every month anyway and it will increase the value of the zkeys I earn through pvp.

garethporlest18 · Mar 18, 2009, 03:55 PM // 15:55

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Originally Posted by Raven Wing

You are wrong there, it was the introduction of HM that brought about abundance of mods and gold weps.

All that the z keys do to the economy is making some rare skins common and this devalued. On the other hand you could say, since some people can harvest hindreds of keys and use them to buy rare items with it actually ought to increase demand and value of some wanted items.

My personal opinion is that the XTH is a bit ridiculous, I spend a few minutes each month on random clicking and get free stuff. Im not interested in high end pvp, it isnt what I am playing for. Other people use this as a legal way of RMT as already mentioned. Both approaches are irrelevant for the high end pvp in itself.

So as I see it, it does no good for pvp and not much good for pvp or the game economy. All it do is channelling some extra cash to Anet.

The real death blow to the weapon market was Nightfall. Inscribable weapons were one of the worst decisions ever made, but since the majority of players in GW have bad luck, they won out. Course time is a really big issue as well, over time things get farmed and things become less rare and more common. Then mix that with the small "god mod" type updates to skills, HM and Zkeys you have what we have now. Although I bet you if you took out the inscribable part, weapons and shields would still be netting some pretty good coin when they had the mods people wanted. Oh well.

As for the XTH. It's good in a way because it helps people who don't know how or don't want to farm because they're lazy asses or don't have that kind of play style make money, while it's kind of crap because people who want to spend more on a game irl make more in game instead of their skill being the decider of that. But that argument died with SF and other things, so..

Bottom line is Anet is making money with this and they know it so it won't be removed.

Jaran Cell · Mar 18, 2009, 04:07 PM // 16:07

1 solution you could try would be to make it a requirement to have 100+ played hours on an account before it could be used to bet with.

Not really needed though, XTH doesn't bother me much and I'm mostly a PvP player X)

Lourens · Mar 18, 2009, 04:36 PM // 16:36

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Originally Posted by go cubs

Didn't see a thread on this so here goes

Is XTH good? Should it be kept?
Should XTH be removed/amended?

Pros: gets players involved with mATs(best I could think of)
Cons: puts zkeys in economy every month and messes with it

Question for Regina if you see this
Will Xth be removed anytime soon? Before gw2? Thanks

So share your opinions!

(sorry if there is similar thread or in wrong location)

Give them 'Prediction Reward Points' you cant buy zkeys with them .. you can buy pvp weapons and armors with it, you can still get 'Tournament Reward Points' by joining tournys problem solved.

XTH is ruining GW economy atm imo

t00115577 · Mar 18, 2009, 04:37 PM // 16:37

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Originally Posted by Anon-e-mouse

GW's stopped being about PvP a long time ago.

Oops i lol'd in my jeans, please GW is PvP. PvE is GW is retarded, its just like a single player online game not an mmorpg.

On Topic: XTH is awsoume multiple accounts and boatloads of Z.Keys a month = many sets of fow and all the shiny weps I can want, who could complain?

Divine Slaya · Mar 18, 2009, 04:39 PM // 16:39

XTH should be removed. If PvErs are so skilled, they can go and earn reward points like the PvPers do. If PvPers can't get chaos gloves and eotn armor, PvErs don't deserve free reward points.